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Al-Qaeda is but a lethal flea when it comes to mass killings, writes John Pilger.

The invasion of Iraq was "organised with lies", says the new Spanish Prime Minister. Does anyone doubt this any more? And yet these proven lies are still dominant in Australia. Day after day, their perpetrators seek to obfuscate and justify an unprovoked, illegal attack that killed at least 10,000 civilians, a figure confirmed last week by Amnesty International.

Set that carnage against the Madrid atrocity. Terrible though that act of terrorism was, it was small compared with the terrorism of the American-led "coalition". Yes, terrorism. How strange it reads when it describes the actions of "our" governments. So saturated are we in the West in the devilry of Third World tyrants (most of them the products of Western imperialism) that we have lost all sense of the enormous crime committed in our name.

This is not rhetoric. In 1946, the judges who tried the German leadership at Nuremberg called the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country "the supreme international war crime". That principle guided more than half a century of international law, until Bush and Blair and Howard tore it up, covering their actions with lies. In Washington, one of the CIA's most senior analysts and a friend of George Bush snr, Ray McGovern, told me: "It was 95 per cent charade. And they all knew it: Bush, Blair, Howard."

The real reasons for this are suppressed in Australia while the latest lies are channelled and amplified by journalists who affect a spurious national "debate". I am not referring to the usual parochial windbags of the far right, but those broadcasters who may sincerely believe they are being objective. When a dissenting voice such as mine, representing the views of a great many Australians, is allowed a fleeting appearance on ABC TV, ridiculous protests the next day by both the Foreign Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister and their tut-tutting media court underline the rarity of genuine debate in the Australian media.

Sunday's Insiders, on the ABC, excelled itself with interviews with Alexander Downer (Tweedledum) and Gerard Henderson (Tweedledee). How frightened of informed, alternative opinion they are as they perpetuate the orthodoxy that invading Iraq was necessary. By constantly framing the national debate in the terms and cliches of mendacious power, journalists actively collude with it, censoring by omission.

Do they ever consider that the very notion of a "war on terrorism" is absurd when the power in Washington claiming to combat terrorism has run an empire of terrorism: Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua and now Haiti, again? By comparison, al-Qaeda is a lethal flea. The true danger for the world lies in a rampant superpower and where it will strike next: Korea, Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, even China?

As the prisoners begin to struggle home from the US concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, the scale of the crime is emerging. We now know that the British military command virtually refused to send troops to Iraq until Blair gave them a guarantee they would not be prosecuted by the newly constituted International Criminal Court. Blair's guarantee was worthless. That frightens the British establishment, and the Australian establishment, too. Unlike the US, Britain and Australia are signatories to the ICC.

The times are changing; Washington-manipulated show trials of Third World dictators are giving way to the promise of universal justice, however tenuous; and the dock awaits those Westerners who bring mass terrorism to faraway countries, then watch it blow back in our faces. Like al-Qaeda, they should not be allowed to get away with it.

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We deserved 9/11 right Willie?

All those innocent Americans deserved to die right willie?

Ever consider that the notion of ignoring terrorism is absurd?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We deserved 9/11 right Willie?

All those innocent Americans deserved to die right willie?

Ever consider that the notion of ignoring terrorism is absurd? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not worthy of a response.
 
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Yea well you just posted an article that implies that and further suggests that anything that happens in the future we have coming too.


Why willie? cause their version of islam forbids the white man from being on the Arabian peninsula?
 

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Sodium,

Just wondering...are you Christian? If so, how do you reconcile your beliefs with your behavior on these forums? If not, how do reconcile your non-Christianity with your conservative beliefs? Thanks.
 
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Darryl first tell me abt how violence breeds violence some more?

Tell us all how afraid we should be that we are leading to generations of terrorists that hate us and will blow us up.

Funny though how the Japs don't hate us? Yet dropped a nuke there. Funny how there doesn't seem to be generations of chechnyans that hate us?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Funny though how the Japs don't hate us? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go to Japan and use the symbolic peace sign with the 1st and middle finger and see how much they like you
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Yea I am certain it would be met with the same fate,

as maybe

walking thru downtown tehran with a US flag shirt on.
 

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General,

Just curious - what does it mean and what would reaction be (I guess it would be adverse). I've only been to Japan twice and have never seen or heard of it.

Thanks
 

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sodium is a member of the new"compassionate conservitism",a boot in your face.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudbone:
General,

Just curious - what does it mean and what would reaction be (I guess it would be adverse). I've only been to Japan twice and have never seen or heard of it.

Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Japanese were at some point likely teased by Americans. The 2 fingers perceived as a symbol of the 2 atomic bombs used. The reaction would likely be of appalled, but wrong place, wrong time could present something worse.
 
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Are you sure General?

I thought maybe that would signal a few suicide bombing sects within the US to fly planes into tall buildings or something.
 

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Having some internal consistency problems are we there, Sodium? Some questions are pretty difficult to answer, aren't they?
 

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He seems to revert to 20 y.o. streetpunk mode on a regular basis...

I thought the Japanese were ordered to surrender, by the Emperor in his first ever public address.
To disobey would be to turn against their own culture and people and Emperor and code.

"we must endure the unendureable..."

Until that moment, they fought to the death, and made thousands of suicide attacks.

When MacArthur arrived and made his first roadtrip there were thousands of Japanese lining the road with their heads bowed, because they had be told to do this by the surrendering Japanese authorities.
There was not a single suicide attack. Not one.

Read some history and stuff son, its genuinely interesting.

The Japanese are unique, they are the only race on the planet that think/reason with the left hand side of the brain.
(dunno who/how they figured that out btw)
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Having some internal consistency problems are we there, Sodium? Some questions are pretty difficult to answer, aren't they? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell me what sort of drugs you take?

my conservative beliefs are not from the religous right whom I have as much tolerance of as liberal scumbag socialists such as yourself.

it is easy to reconcile my beliefs when confronted with evil, how is it that you sleep at night knowing that you prefer to leave a guy like Hussien in power to kill more?

I think it laughable that the pledge of allegiance contains the phrase "one nation under god".



I think it even more laughable that there are people that believe that the government is a more efficent allocator of scarce resources than the private sector.

It is even more riotous that there are folks that think maniacal dictators with resources like Hussein will just go away.

But the coup de gras is knowing that there are still people around, who will post whatever drivel their brains spit out reagrdless of fact or fiction,

like be afraid we are breeding generations of suicide bombers, what abt the generations of chechnyans eekie, did the emperor implore them to cease to?

Be real man, we dropped two nukes and decimated two large metro areas, if any nation had cause for generations of hatred that is the one.

Let's see now, according to the pacifists and euro malcontents the US is a barbaric imperialist nation, there should be legions of generations of folks from elsewhere lining up to attack, but there isn't, DARRYL, EEKIE any clue why?

MAYBE BECAUSE YOUR INANE IDIOMS ARE COMPLETELY BANKRUPT OF FACT?
 

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LOL, ur 2 funny calling me a liberal scumbag socialist. I'd stay away from the poker tables with those people reading skills.

Of course I can appreciate the difficulties you have in trying to understand a more complex being than yourself. My dog also has trouble with that but he's so cute I don't hold it against him.

And since you answered my question, I will answer yours...

In the case of the Japs the shock was so great that they are still getting over it. Wait another couple of generations until the folks who saw the horror first hand are no longer around and we could easily see revenge-seeking movements taking shape. The timeline can be very long in these matters. Nations with thousands of years of history have long memories and long planning horizons, unlike America whose policies are laughably short-sighted.

The Chechens with their black widow attacks in Moscow can hardly be called a pacifist people, but they have too many pressing issues with the Russians to be concerned about the USA right now.

Enemies of the US have little more to do than wait until hedonism and gluttony become the order of the day and the liberal-socialist movement reaches a critical mass of about 70% and the US will pretty much implode on itself. It looks like the Roman Empire all over again and the fall is right around the corner.

Things become a lot clearer when you stretch out your time horizon. Try it sometime, it could get interesting.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> LOL, ur 2 funny calling me a liberal scumbag socialist. I'd stay away from the poker tables with those people reading skills <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have played approximately 1millon hands since 1998 anytime you feel game. You can only go with what the person is giving you, continue posting useless liberal scumbag socialist doctrine and the label fits.

In the meantime we will all be sure to be afraid of all those imaginary generations of folks that are out to get us back,

even though they do not nor ever have existed.

how about the indians Darryl, afterall we took almost every inch of their territory.

Face it your argument is based upon deductive logic that is just flat out false.

It is nothing more than pandering to people's worst fears, with absolutely zero basis in fact or circumstance, I am certain however that although there is zero evidence you will continue to post that we are creating generations of fanatical bombers.

BTw great fear *****rer making any analogy to ancient rome, is idiotic at best even for a limited individual such as yourself. There is not enough time in the day to properly riducule such overt nonsense.
 

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LOL, I've got to say your posts do have a good amount of entertainment value.

The Native Americans are not fighting back, true. Why is that? OK, any 3rd graders out there can tell me!? There, Johnny, I see your hand up, let's hear it...

Johnny: Uh, because we took over their land and made a country and we're still living there right now.

Right! Go to the head of the class! And why is Japan not like that?

Johnny: Uh, because they are far away, they have their own country, there are lots of them and they are rich like us?

Good boy! Here's a lollipop. Now how about Al Qaeda!? Why are they not like that?

Johnny: Uh, because they don't have a country and we don't even know where they are!?

Excellent! That's an A+ for you. Your mommy will be proud.

And since we're on the topic of internal subgroups what happened with the blacks!? First there was slavery which was based on primitive ideologies like yours and now they enjoy huge advantages over whites on the job market, university admissions, social programs and legal matters.

And women!? First they were oppressed and now they are wearing America's proverbial pants.

Not all fights involve weapons. Yin and yang is everywhere. Or if you prefer, call it Newton's Third Law. You just need to open your eyes.
 
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My posts are entertaining?

Not nearly as much as your fiction.

Hey Darryl last shot at substantiating your ludicrous fear pandering bullshit that we are breeding generations of suicide bombers that will kill us all.

It's not fun debating with a guy that just refuses to acknowledge the real world,

you know the one, where although we have been invloved in many conflicts since the advent of our country,

THERE ISN'T ONE SINGLE SOLITARY ENTITY THAT IS OUT TO GET US AND A WHOLE BUNCH HAVE MUCH BETTER CAUSE THAN THE CAVEMEN.

GO SCARE FOLKS THAT WILL ACTUALLY PANDER TO YOUR BULLSHIT.
 

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I don't consider my statements regarding violence begetting violence as fear pandering. I don't remember ever saying that the average person should fear these threats since the percentage of people affected by it directly is so small and will continue to be so unless of course the nukes come into play. My angle is the pointlessness of it and not the fear element.

If you are going to use violence to achieve national security objectives then I'm saying you need to be thorough. If you can do that, then by all means, do what's in your best interest. If, on the other hand, you know ahead of time that it's impossible to do a thorough job of it, then you're better off using another approach because of the cost in American and other innocent lives.

This is my opinion and it is based on no other agenda than to have an intelligent discussion with anyone who cares to debate the topic.
 

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